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我覺得你去告比較快 看華碩會不會因此更改保固條款或是有什麼動作 跟網友在這邊爭這些確實沒什麼用..... |
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1.消費者當然有權提出爭議,但方向要對才容易找到施力點,如果還是一直鎖定EeePC必須要能加Ram這個議題,這恐怕不容易爭訟成功,所以敝人認為應該要朝保固說明不足的部分下手比較適當 2.到底是哪裡傳出來的消息說EeePC是CPU 900mhz和DDR2 400? 如果不是華碩發出來的消息,而只是網路謠言的話,可歸責性就很薄弱 而且這類東西好像也沒規範要載明時脈,像電子翻譯機就是如此 EeePC畢竟用途比較單純,一堆人把他當普通電腦或NB用好像怪怪的 |
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規格只代表能不能夠插上使用 不代表就一定相容沒問題 不然為何板上常常都有人抱怨主機板與記憶體相衝 連我自己都是受害者,買的還是大廠宇瞻的記憶體 台灣本身記憶體顆粒與模組廠加起來就不下10間 還有一堆白牌的記憶體在市面流通 怎麼不是千奇百怪呢? |
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1. 在國外的USER是根據類似消保法來擬告華碩,內容也是華碩不能用保固來限制升級,除非華碩證明那是不可升級的模組,個人認為登載不清和以保固限制升級這兩個方法都可以走 2. EEE PC在上市前的媒體新聞上有登,當然可以拗是那些都是媒體憶測,不過記者如果不是從華碩那裡得來的消息,又怎麼會知道CPU是900MHZ的賽羊及DDR2 400的模組,當然華碩要降頻跑是華碩的自由,就算降到450MHZ和DDR2 100那都是華碩的自由,不過華碩一直對900 MHZ和CCD2 400的報導沒有任何澄清,直到上市都沒有標明時脈,結果是USER改裝XP再跑測速才知道,這點就想不通為何華碩不把規格說明白 |
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這種事,告贏了再說 就算在美國,個人認為告贏的機會也很低, why? 1.他有貼標籤,告訴你不能拆(跟他歸類於那一類電器用品根本沒有關係) 2.前面網友已經提出,華碩用的不是標準記憶體模組(1.6V而不是1.8V) 根據這一點,華碩就有理由可以告訴法官,不能私下更換的理由 (已經超過同類產品5%的容許電壓範圍了) 除非華碩自己提供升級條款,自己當然就得符合自己的零件規範 3.就算在美國也一樣,通常自己買的更大的RAM,還是會把隨機的ram留下來,WHY? 因為很清楚,更換非原廠零件,就會失去保固, 回修時如果你沒裝上原廠記憶體而是你自己加的記憶體, 就有很大的可能被拒修而且失去保固 , 所以原廠沒貼標籤,告訴你不能自己拆,並不表示容許你自己更換. ,如果原廠有升級方案那就另當別論. 一般筆記型電腦螺絲沒貼標籤,"並不表示容許你DIY自行更換記憶體模組" 而是因為危險度低,睜一隻眼閉一隻眼 (很多人都知道,跟換時靜電也可能損壞零件的,這時就是DIY者的過失了) 但是如果保固期限回修時,你大喇喇的附上非隨機零件,連遮掩都不遮 公司就可以不用睜一隻眼閉一隻眼,直接給你拒修的原因了 自行DIY就算上法院也走不通 任何公司都只對他賣給你的產品提供保證 自行更換,任何零件,都自然流失保固 (去查一下,自行更換記憶體就算自行DIY了) 再舉簡單一例: 買了個電風扇,電線長度不夠, 自己剪掉插頭,換一條長一點的線 這時還在不在保固條款內 (我也可以自己焊得非常漂亮啊,那種電線加插頭也隨處可買) |
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媒體的話聽聽就好,他們沒有善加查證的案例多的很,就像股票市場的名嘴天天都有說不完的小道消息,資料從何而來根本沒人知道,正確性也有大問題,所以很多公司根本就懶得出面澄清 隨便就推斷說消息是從華碩那邊得來的,這為免太過武斷,900Mhz賽揚和DDR2 400又不是什麼極機密的武器,一堆小型日系筆電都有使用,要類推適用可能性很高,媒體會這樣猜不讓人意外 EeePC畢竟不是正規的電腦或NB,反而比較例類似翻譯機或遊戲機等用途單一的設備,所以當然不用公佈規格,反正只要能夠符合內建的功能就行了,到時如果因為生產因素要更動內部配件的話,也比較方便 |
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Warranty Void If Removed
The last annoyance about the eee PC is the bright yellow "Warranty void if seal is broken or removed" sticker over the RAM upgrade slot. Yes, you read that right: a computer manufacturer has decided that it voids your warranty to replace a DIMM. The door in question also hides an available mini-PCI-Express slot, so needless to say, people would like to open it. For me, until I get out of the front of the bathtub curve and verify that the hardware works with Ubuntu, that sticker stays intact. However, since I'm already pretending to be a lawyer in this post, allow me to discuss the Magnuson-Moss Act, what it says about tie-ins, and what exactly ASUS is doing here. The Magnuson-Moss Act is a 1975 Federal law that lays down some rules for how consumer warranties work. One of the specific things it prohibits are "tie-ins," additional items or services you must buy from the manufacturer to make your warranty work. (This is why for-pay warranties these days are euphemistically termed 'service contracts.') Examples of tie-ins are provided on the FTC's site. There's the unacceptable tie-in: In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty. ...and the acceptable one: While necessary maintenance or repairs on your AudioMundo Stereo System can be performed by any company, we recommend that you use only authorized AudioMundo dealers. Improper or incorrectly performed maintenance or repair voids this warranty. Specifically, it's acceptable to void someone's warranty if maintenance is screwed up. (I'm paraphrasing the FTC's page, which was clearly paid by the word.) Here are snippets from ASUS's warranty: The warranty only covers failures or malfunctions occurred during the warranty period and in normal use conditions as will as for any material or workmanship defect. The warranty will not apply if: (a) the product has been tampered, repaired, or modified by non-authorized personnel; ... (c) the warranty seals have been broken or altered; ... (Yes, those typos were in the original.) Clause (a) above is clearly unenforceable under Magnuson-Moss -- it's one of the specific cases that the FTC cites as illegal. Clause (c) follows as unenforceable: repairs (even normal upgrades) of the system cannot be performed without breaking the warranty seal. I'm not a lawyer, but I trust the judgment of judges; I doubt that a warranty stating "You can get this repaired by any qualified person but they can't look at it!" would be upheld. This is no different. Edit (2007-11-23): One more note on my tie-in point: ASUS will be selling a "higher model" of the eee in the US, with more RAM and 8GB of Flash, starting at the end of this month. Someone will open this model up and post pictures. If the model is simply the original with a different DIMM and, say, a PCIe SSD dropped in, then what ASUS is saying is "These socketed, consumer-upgradeable parts will void your warranty if you touch them -- but if you pay us another $150 we'll change them for you." That's a bit more blatant than what I'd cited above. http://cliffhacks.blogspot.com/2007...ns-and-gpl.html 此文章於 2007-12-04 02:37 PM 被 xiemark 編輯. |
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你買翻譯機/手機 有哪台跟你說他的CPU的速度 還是FLASH是用MLC還是SLC 就算是PS3還有XBOX360 也都沒有標他的CPU速度 人家都說他是賣整機產品 能跑的順就好了 幹嘛跟你澄清些什麼 |
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1. 記者還真神,還花時間到處查探EEE的零件規格,而且還真準的知道是會賽羊900MHZ和DDR2 400, 很多網路新聞、部落格都有提出這個規格,其實這個規格是華碩自己透露,只要有從一開始就注意華碩EEE的相關新聞就不難發現 2. EEE是不是NB?華碩在一篇受訪新聞中說,希望EEE的出貨可以讓華碩在2010排止NB市佔第五名,所以EEE是不是NB,其實華碩已經說明,華碩當然有權不公佈EEE的時脈,其實「任何一廠商」的「任何一款NB」都可以不公佈時脈、UMPC、NANO BOOK應該也都可以不用標示時脈,不過個人認為華碩作為一個大廠,以國際品牌自許,規格標示清楚應該不是十分難事 |
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因為它賣的是筆記型電腦。 要加DRAM,就是因為它跑不順。 一邊上網,一邊聽MP3就會跳音。 聲音會斷斷績績。 |
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