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Mechaome

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Originally posted by RANBOPRO
我那張MS-6163用了三年多,希望能繼續用下去.
不過最近另一張也用了三年的MS-K7TPro2出現問題,開機鈕按下去,電源有通,燈會亮,風扇有轉,但是沒畫面...送去台中的安歆快修中心(在NOVA附近),檢查後是電容有問題,當場免費更換順便幫我更新Bios,微星的售後服務還不錯.
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其实不一定是电容的关系。你只要在MS-K7TPro2的PCI上插一个以前没有用过的卡，比如网卡声卡显卡（最好是这个）然后重新开机就好了。造成故障的原因是BIOS信号的先后顺序被破坏，上插一个以前没有用过的设备可以是新的自检信息覆盖原来被破坏的信息。主板正常后就可以取下装上的设备了，这时再开机由于BIOS信息已修复所以电脑又恢复正常了。

這個動作和clear CMOS(回覆Bios出廠預設值)是不是一樣的意思啊?我之前主機板故障時,工程師也是有叫我先clear CMOS(拔電池,調jumper)試試看,可能就如你說的,先排除掉bios訊息錯亂的問題,不過最後還是搞不定就是了,因為是電容壞掉.

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2003-10-31, 05:38 AM #91

penny1216

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Originally posted by qXp
個人經驗是即使是受好評的老板MSI 6163 pro仍舊撐不過四年，爆漿了，就順便淘汰

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Originally posted by peta
我的6163pro 還在撐算一算已過了四年了~~之前有看過一下我的電容，好像已經有要爆的徵兆了希望繼續稱下去啊~~

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Originally posted by hjfrank
我的 MS-6163 也還撐到現在,
都使用四年多了,
其實要壞早就壞了,
應該不會那麼倒楣。

我也有一台騾子機(TV OUT)，ms-6163v1.0,celeron850,ati aiw rage128
到現在4~5年了也還ok啊

2003-10-31, 10:20 AM #93

nzcym

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其實根據 http://www.careyholzman.com/ 的文章

Low-ESR Aluminum Electrolytic Failures Linked to Taiwanese Raw Material Problems

1. Reportedly, the problem developed after a materials scientist working for Rubycon Corporation in Japan left the company and began working for Luminous Town Electric in China.
某位在 Jap Rubycon 工作的材料科學家, 跳槽到 Chn Luminous Town Electric 工作.

2. The scientist then developed a copy of Rubycon P-50 type water-based electrolyte, used in low-ESR aluminum electrolytic capacitors developed by Luminous and equivalent to the Rubycon ZA and ZL series.
這位科學家發展了一套等同於 Rubycon 的 P-50 水性電解液配方, 應用於Luminous 本身的 low-ESR 鋁質電解電容器, Luminous 這系列鋁質電解電容相當於Rubycon 的 ZA and ZL系列鋁質電解電容.

3. Subsequently, the scientist's staff members defected with the formula, and began to sell and electrolyte at a low price to many of the major aluminum electrolytic houses in Taiwan, including Luxon Electronics, Lelon Electronics, and other aluminum capacitor manufacturers. (IBM has stated that five companies were affected, while other sources in Taiwan suggest that as many as 11 companies were affected.)
後來這位科學家的手下職員帶著這份新配方跳槽, 並以低價銷售這份新配方給台灣許多主要的鋁質電解電容製造廠商. 包括了 Luxon Electronics, Lelon Electronics 還有其他的主要製造廠商都買了這份配方 (IBM 說有五家廠商受到影響, 不過根據台灣的消息來源指出可能多達11家廠商受到波及)

4. Unfortunately, the staff members who defected from Luminous Town Electric with the formula copied only the partial formula, and the subsequent electrolyte produced was unstable when packaged in a finished aluminum capacitor. The instability of the electrolyte in the low-ESR aluminum electrolytic capacitors using this water-based electrolyte leads to the build-up of excess hydrogen inside the aluminum can, which results in either a rupture of the can itself or destruction of the rubber end-seal.
不幸的, 從 Luminous Town Electric 跳槽的職員只拿到部分的配方, 隨後生產的水性電解液在鋁質電解電容內不能穩定操作. 會逐漸被電解並累積過量的氫氣在鋁質電解電容內. 結果是鋁殼爆裂或是橡膠封墊承受不了壓力而爆開.

5. Either failure is potentially catastrophic due to the leaking electrolyte. According to top material scientists in the aluminum capacitor industry, if the correct amount of additives is not mixed into a water-based electrolyte, electrolysis will occur, releasing a high amount of hydrogen gas in the can and resulting in catastrophic failure.
以上兩種失效最後都會造成電解液流失. 根據在鋁質電解電容業界工作的頂尖的科學家事後評論, 如果電解液沒有加入適當份量的添加劑將造成水被電解, 最後當然是導致災難性的失敗(悲劇收場).

6. Subsequent lifetime tests on low-ESR aluminum electrolytic capacitors produced in Taiwan by Japanese aluminum capacitor hours revealed the occurrence of catastrophic failure of the Taiwanese aluminum electrolytic capacitors after 2000 hours of operation on parts rated for 4000 hours of operation. Intel has stated that the aluminum capacitors with the poor electrolyte may fail after only 250 hours of operation.
日本廠商測試了台製鋁質電解電容, 發現了原來應該有 4000 小時(110C 高溫加速老化測試) 的壽命掉到只剩 2000 小時(110C 高溫加速老化測試). Intel 宣稱部分劣質台製鋁質電解電容在 250 小時(110C 高溫加速老化測試)後就失效.

2003-12-27, 12:32 PM #95

milky

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Originally posted by nzcym
其實根據 http://www.careyholzman.com/ 的文章

Low-ESR Aluminum Electrolytic Failures Linked to Taiwanese Raw Material Problems

1. Reportedly, the problem developed after a materials scientist working for Rubycon Corporation in Japan left the company and began working for Luminous Town Electric in China.
某位在 Jap Rubycon 工作的材料科學家, 跳槽到 Chn Luminous Town Electric 工作.

2. The scientist then developed a copy of Rubycon P-50 type water-based electrolyte, used in low-ESR aluminum electrolytic capacitors developed by Luminous and equivalent to the Rubycon ZA and ZL series.
這位科學家發展了一套等同於 Rubycon 的 P-50 水性電解液配方, 應用於Luminous 本身的 low-ESR 鋁質電解電容器, Luminous 這系列鋁質電解電容相當於Rubycon 的 ZA and ZL系列鋁質電解電容.

3. Subsequently, the scientist's staff members defected with the formula, and began to sell and electrolyte at a low price to many of the major aluminum electrolytic houses in Taiwan, including Luxon Electronics, Lelon Electronics, and other aluminum capacitor manufacturers. (IBM has stated that five companies were affected, while other sources in Taiwan suggest that as many as 11 companies were affected.)
後來這位科學家的手下職員帶著這份新配方跳槽, 並以低價銷售這份新配方給台灣許多主要的鋁質電解電容製造廠商. 包括了 Luxon Electronics, Lelon Electronics 還有其他的主要製造廠商都買了這份配方 (IBM 說有五家廠商受到影響, 不過根據台灣的消息來源指出可能多達11家廠商受到波及)

4. Unfortunately, the staff members who defected from Luminous Town Electric with the formula copied only the partial formula, and the subsequent electrolyte produced was unstable when packaged in a finished aluminum capacitor. The instability of the electrolyte in the low-ESR aluminum electrolytic capacitors using this water-based electrolyte leads to the build-up of excess hydrogen inside the aluminum can, which results in either a rupture of the can itself or destruction of the rubber end-seal.
不幸的, 從 Luminous Town Electric 跳槽的職員只拿到部分的配方, 隨後生產的水性電解液在鋁質電解電容內不能穩定操作. 會逐漸被電解並累積過量的氫氣在鋁質電解電容內. 結果是鋁殼爆裂或是橡膠封墊承受不了壓力而爆開.

5. Either failure is potentially catastrophic due to the leaking electrolyte. According to top material scientists in the aluminum capacitor industry, if the correct amount of additives is not mixed into a water-based electrolyte, electrolysis will occur, releasing a high amount of hydrogen gas in the can and resulting in catastrophic failure.
以上兩種失效最後都會造成電解液流失. 根據在鋁質電解電容業界工作的頂尖的科學家事後評論, 如果電解液沒有加入適當份量的添加劑將造成水被電解, 最後當然是導致災難性的失敗(悲劇收場).

6. Subsequent lifetime tests on low-ESR aluminum electrolytic capacitors produced in Taiwan by Japanese aluminum capacitor hours revealed the occurrence of catastrophic failure of the Taiwanese aluminum electrolytic capacitors after 2000 hours of operation on parts rated for 4000 hours of operation. Intel has stated that the aluminum capacitors with the poor electrolyte may fail after only 250 hours of operation.
日本廠商測試了台製鋁質電解電容, 發現了原來應該有 4000 小時(110C 高溫加速老化測試) 的壽命掉到只剩 2000 小時(110C 高溫加速老化測試). Intel 宣稱部分劣質台製鋁質電解電容在 250 小時(110C 高溫加速老化測試)後就失效.

這篇(英)文章有點表達不良,看了辛苦....

2003-12-27, 02:53 PM #98

史努比的哥哥

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Originally posted by nzcym
大哥這位原英文作者顯然並非英語系國家出生(日語..?)當然也不是台灣人寫的英文, 不過看在人家這麼辛苦爆料的份上, 我還是要謝謝他 (雖然我翻得要抓狂了)

注意這篇文章在 http://www.careyholzman.com/ 的原標題是
Nippon Industries (capacitor manufacturer) uses story as a marketing tool for their product - October, 2002
日本電容業界利用這個新聞事件當作牠們產品的行銷工具

難為你幫忙翻譯了翻得不錯至少比英文好讀

2003-12-29, 09:47 AM #100