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MengK 2010-06-04 06:30 PM

Charlie Demerjian爆料:NV黑名單,藉此控制傳媒評測
 
http://www.hkepc.com/forum/viewthre...&extra=page%3D1
http://bbs.pczilla.net/thread-8436-1-1.htm

來源http://www.semiaccurate.com/2010/05...rdware-secrets/
How Nvidia blacklists sites like Hardware Secrets
Unethical behaviors to control the media
by Charlie Demerjian

May 30, 2010

IT LOOKS LIKE the cracks are starting to spread at Nvidia PR, Hardware Secrets just joined the list of those honest enough to get banned by the company. The real question is how does Nvidia PR decide to blacklist a company? Since you asked, we dug up their internal memos on such things.

Hardware Secrets seems to have done the unthinkable and not bowed to Nvidia PR's requests to, lets not mince words, lie about their products, or at the very least, change things that they didn't like. Some may think just because Nvidia wanted to get stories before publication to editorially 'rightspeak' them, and Hardware Secrets refused, that they were banned. Not so, and that is reported from personal experience.

Nvidia has a long checklist of what you should and should not write about. When they send you a new card, they give you a reviewers guide that basically shows what you should test, what benchmarks you should use, and what OSes and drivers are recommended. If you stray too far from those recommendations, or worse yet, don't say that PhysX or CUDA is the greatest thing on earth, you are on dangerous ground.

If you have the gall to say that a card is not absolutely and unquestionably better in every way than the competition, goodbye. Of course they will spin it to any site that questions Nvidia about blacklisting as the person being "unworkable" or funded by ATI/Intel, but the truth is that if anyone is honest, it makes it very hard for them to spin their own curious version of the truth. That makes Dear Leader sad, so it must be torpedoed.

Back to the GTX470 and GTX480 launch. The list of who got cards was very select, and Hardware Secrets was not on it. If you are not big enough or don't meet the suck-up requirements above, you didn't get a card. Those who did, and those who somehow managed to get around the Nvidia AIB blockade, were actively graded by Nvidia.

What did Nvidia want to know about? Here is their list of questions, PR was asked to fill this out for everyone who they sent samples to. That will determine who gets immediately hit with the big green excrement cannon, and then is subsequently badmouthed in the background to the faithful fanbois. In Nvidia's own words......

Did they write that we have an architecture advantage? (Y/N)

GTX 480 Pricing (Good, Too High, Too Low)

GTX 470 Pricing (Good, Too High, Too Low)

Did they complain about power?

Did they complain about noise?

Did they complain about heat?

Design Garage

Supersonic Sled

Water/Hair Testing

Unigine 2.0

MS DX11 SDK

Stone Giant

Folding@Home

Did they test with Catalyst AI On? (Y/N)

Did they call out AMD on their cheat?

If yes, give link

It is pretty clear what Nvidia wants you to hear about, and how they explicitly want sites to attack ATI. The whole 'ATI cheat' thing was manufactured by Nvidia and pushed really hard to sites that Nvidia thought were gullible enough to write it up. They also wanted reviewers to push Unigine and Stone giant really hard, along with the F@H, all projects that Nvidia sponsors. I wonder why?

Also, note that when talking about power, heat and noise, Nvidia did not ask how the products fared, they asked if the sites complained about them. It's almost like the company knew the power use, heat and noise were so far out of line it was ludicrous. Nvidia also wanted sites to push their demos really hard for some reason, but nowhere did they ask about the card's performance. Demos, PhysX and Cuda are all over the 'suggestions' as to what sites are 'recommended' to talk about with GTX470 and GTX480 reviews, performance is not.

In case you were wondering, there was a test after class, and Nvidia not only grades on a curve, but they play favorites. Should you not hit the high points above, and are not 'too big to exclude', you are blacklisted. Please note that the list does include explicitly calling out ATI about points Nvidia fabricated and pushed. Go back and re-read the questions, they are not nearly as innocent as they may seem.

Now do you understand why SemiAccurate can not work with Nvidia? Now do you understand why honest sites have a hard time with the company? If you still don't, or can say so publicly with a straight face, there are lots of jobs available for your particular skill set.

To call the company's behavior unethical and sleazy would be insulting to those who have achieved those goals. Nvidia however is not competent enough to reach those lofty goals, but it is not for a lack of trying.

So, in the end, nothing really new. Leaked memos, what Nvidia wants talked about for their new cards, and more sites blacklisted for honesty. The more things change in Santa Clara, the more things stay the same. That makes Dear Leader smile.S|A

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大意就是NV要求媒體按照他們的要求評測N卡,否則就上黑名單,另外,NV PR給媒體發評測卡之前需要填寫調查表,其中問題就是那些黑體字

blair 2010-06-04 07:09 PM

日本那邊說NV早就有同時對不同客戶放出關於同型號卻不同規格,或是獨特型號的消息,
藉以過濾出是那些客戶向媒體流出消息的手法。

NV真是越搞越黑暗。

以後NV的媒體評測基本上都要打個5折...

還是天兵 2010-06-04 09:03 PM

引用:
作者blair
日本那邊說NV早就有同時對不同客戶放出關於同型號卻不同規格,或是獨特型號的消息,
藉以過濾出是那些客戶向媒體流出消息的手法。

NV真是越搞越黑暗。

以後NV的媒體評測基本上都要打個5折...



繼續觀察中,真不希望一代霸主淪落到玩小手段。

korn 2010-06-04 09:17 PM

之前某雜誌曾一直說雙顯示卡玩 Physix SLI (一張可能為 GTX480;另一張為 9800GT),誇說可以打爆高階卡單卡。只是我一直認為物理運算卡有等級之分

Axel_K 2010-06-04 09:17 PM

所有一代霸主,沒有不玩各種大小手段的

惡魔印記666 2010-06-04 09:49 PM

引用:
作者Axel_K
所有一代霸主,沒有不玩各種大小手段的

真是正解 :laugh:
某處理器大廠也常玩這一套
甚至有更多更腹黑的手法喔

這傳聞我之前也有聽說
不過一直無法證實
只當成各槍手搞煙霧彈混淆視聽

這樣看起來
Z大可能也是受害者之一(之前GTX480的爆強傳聞)
希望沒被列入觀察名單啊.....(以後沒美女開箱看我會受不了的) :nonono:

MengK 2010-06-05 12:43 AM

引用:
作者Axel_K
所有一代霸主,沒有不玩各種大小手段的

是嗎P來看看??

NV黑心也不是一兩天事 :ase

pookman 2010-06-05 01:22 AM

難怪最近看雜誌測GTX470 GTX480 就是只測這些NV指定的,但是實際使用上沒有什麼卻沒有什麼幫助的Benchmark,果然後面有些內幕,現在看雜誌的內容都要打一些折扣了。 :unbelief:

2005-12-31 2010-06-05 01:42 AM

引用:
作者MengK
是嗎P來看看??

NV黑心也不是一兩天事 :ase


看來A廠牌的較實在..是要投身到A廠牌的陣營嗎?.. :ase

Axel_K 2010-06-05 02:05 AM

引用:
作者MengK
是嗎P來看看??

NV黑心也不是一兩天事 :ase

不用P了啦,網路上一大堆
I社花錢,M$被告,水果店和它底下APP開發一大堆有的沒的消息
目前A社算比較老實點.......也難怪它只能當老二的命......不夠霸阿 :laugh:

但,如果真的NV一蹶不振,
難說A社不會玩起同樣的手段


不過,就是這樣
如果是落水狗,大家都投石頭
一旦當老大,就會有粉絲
放屁粉絲也會當作是香的......光環就會蓋過後面那坨屎


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