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dearbear 2004-02-19 10:34 PM

錸德4X DVD+R品質測試首部曲
 
一.前言
之前買到疑似錸德"偽"片,因此順便測試手邊的錸德4X DVD+R看看,
DVD+R部分倒是沒聽過有偽片.

二.版面比較
a.錸德新X版面

Media code:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R01-002]
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Disc Type : [DVD+R]
Manufacturer ID : [RICOHJPN]
Media Type ID : [R01]
Product Revision : [002]
Disc Application Code : [General Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [2.4x - 4x]
Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

0000 : 01 0f 01 00 00 03 00 00 00 25 d7 ef 00 00 00 00 .........%......
0010 : 00 00 01 52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 31 02 38 ...RICOHJPNR01.8
0020 : 23 54 37 09 00 3c 67 00 ac 62 16 18 0b 0b 0a 0b #T7..<g..b......
0030 : 01 19 1b 0b 0b 0e 0f 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 ..88.2^ ."".....
0050 : 00 00 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 00 00 ...2^ ."".......

b.錸德銀色版面

Media code
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R01-002]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disc Type : [DVD+R]
Manufacturer ID : [RICOHJPN]
Media Type ID : [R01]
Product Revision : [002]
Disc Application Code : [General Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [2.4x - 4x]
Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 19 7d ef 00 00 00 00 ..........}.....
0010 : 00 00 01 52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 31 02 38 ...RICOHJPNR01.8
0020 : 23 54 37 09 00 3c 67 00 ac 62 16 18 0b 0b 0a 0b #T7..<g..b......
0030 : 01 19 1b 0b 0b 0e 0f 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 ..88.2^ ."".....
0050 : 00 00 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 00 00 ...2^ ."".......
c.CyQ've錸德代工版面

Media code
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R01-002]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disc Type : [DVD+R]
Manufacturer ID : [RICOHJPN]
Media Type ID : [R01]
Product Revision : [002]
Disc Application Code : [General Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [2.4x - 4x]
Blank Disc Capacity : [Not Supported By Method 2]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 23 df 4f 00 00 00 00 .........#.O....
0010 : 00 00 01 52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 31 02 38 ...RICOHJPNR01.8
0020 : 23 54 37 09 00 3c 67 00 ac 62 16 18 0b 0b 0a 0b #T7..<g..b......
0030 : 01 19 1b 0b 0b 0e 0f 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 ..88.2^ ."".....
0050 : 00 00 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 00 00 ...2^ ."".......

由上面可知三種片子都是RICOHJPNR01-02的染料,除了Media Code的09~0B
不同外,其餘資料都一樣,有人知道這三碼的含意嗎:confused:

lawlin 2004-02-19 10:38 PM

回覆: 錸德4X DVD+R品質測試首部曲
 
引用:

由上面可知三種片子都是RICOHJPNR01-02的染料,除了Media Code的09~0B
不同外,其資料都一樣,有人知道這三碼的含意嗎:confused: [/B]


那這樣是不是表示RICOH的片子也是一模一樣的東西?
那買RICOH的不就是冤大頭?
挖咧.....我是冤大頭:cry:

dearbear 2004-02-19 10:44 PM

回覆: 回覆: 錸德4X DVD+R品質測試首部曲
 
引用:
Originally posted by lawlin
那這樣是不是表示RICOH的片子也是一模一樣的東西?
那買RICOH的不就是冤大頭?
挖咧.....我是冤大頭:cry:


RICOH的片子本來就是錸德代工的阿!!
請繼續看下去,我還沒PO完;)

等PO完再回應也不遲喔:D

dearbear 2004-02-19 10:51 PM

三.PI/PO測試(4X@ECC8)

我使用811s + HS0P 8X燒錄三種片子.
a.錸德X版面


b.錸德銀色版面


c.CyQ've錸德代工


三種片子雖然燒錄長短不一,但是大家可比較一下同位置的品質,
811s在8X燒錄是Z-CLV,最前面是4X,再來6X,最後才8X.
因此某些片子會在速度轉折的時候PI/PO突然拉高.

superkernel 2004-02-19 10:52 PM

在下買的Arita 4X應該也是錸德的,benq 800A上8X很穩


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R01-002]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disc Type : [DVD+R]
Manufacturer ID : [RICOHJPN]
Media Type ID : [R01]
Product Revision : [002]
Disc Application Code : [General Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [2.4x - 4x]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6 MB = 4.38 GB]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
** INFO : Hex Dump Of 'Media Code'-Block Listed Below
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Preceding 'Media Code'-Block Discarded
** INFO : Format 11h (Method 1) - ADIP Information
0000 : a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f 00 00 00 00 .........&.?....
0010 : 00 00 01 52 49 43 4f 48 4a 50 4e 52 30 31 02 38 ...RICOHJPNR01.8
0020 : 23 54 37 09 00 3c 67 00 ac 62 16 18 0b 0b 0a 0b #T7..<g..b......
0030 : 01 19 1b 0b 0b 0e 0f 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0040 : 01 00 38 38 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 ..88.2^ ."".....
0050 : 00 00 00 32 5e 20 0a 22 22 10 0e 12 12 01 00 00 ...2^ ."".......
0060 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0070 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0080 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
0090 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00a0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00b0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00c0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00d0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00e0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
00f0 : 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ................
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** INFO : An Empty Writable Disc Is Recommended For Accurate Results
** INFO : ATAPI DVD DUAL 8X4X12 [FW B3C7]
** INFO : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R01-002]
** INFO : Write Speeds (Supported By This Drive On This Disc) Listed Below

** INFO : GET PERFORMANCE Write Speed Descriptor(s)
Descriptor #1 = 11080 KBPS (8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 KBPS (4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 3324 KBPS (2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]

** INFO : MODE SENSE Write Speed Descriptor(s) [Legacy Command]
Descriptor #1 = 11080 KBPS (8.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #2 = 5540 KBPS (4.00x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
Descriptor #3 = 3324 KBPS (2.40x) - [CLV/Non-Pure CAV]
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[DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com]
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dearbear 2004-02-19 10:59 PM

四.PI/PO測試二部曲(6XCAV@ECC1)

a.錸德X版面


b.錸德銀色版面


c.CyQ've錸德代工


增加CAV的測試,811s對+R只能最大6XCAV.

dearbear 2004-02-19 11:09 PM

五.結論

綜合以上的測試,可以發現,新版的錸德X版面似乎比較差,
而CyQ've的最好,比較穩定,原錸德銀色版面則介於中間,
而銀色版面我試燒另一片後有發現染料間有另外一種較深
色,疑似染料不均,這也發現在我之前公布的疑似"偽"錸德
4X DVD-R上.
但是8X燒錄完成後,CyQ've沒甜甜圈,錸德銀色版面最清楚,
錸德X版面剛燒完很清楚,放了一夜之後幾乎看不見.

因此結論是
染料品質
CyQ've > 錸德銀色版面 > 錸德X版面.
版面質感
錸德X版面>CyQ've>錸德銀色版面
書寫流利度
錸德X版面>錸德銀色版面>CyQ've

三種版面來說,最佳的8X是CyQ've.
還有因為國外謠傳811s HS0P對+R相容性不好,因此
有機會我會用HS0K再測試一次.

dearbear 2004-02-19 11:12 PM

引用:
Originally posted by superkernel
在下買的Arita 4X應該也是錸德的,benq 800A上8X很穩


--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:RICOHJPN-R01-002]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disc Type : [DVD+R]
Manufacturer ID : [RICOHJPN]
Media Type ID : [R01]
Product Revision : [002]
Disc Application Code : [General Purpose]
Recording Speeds : [2.4x - 4x]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6 MB = 4.38 GB]


我的三種版面也能上8X,也很穩.

雪云 2004-02-19 11:32 PM

這個PI/PO值會不會太高了-__-
4X的片子就不要8X燒比較好

pompom 2004-02-19 11:41 PM

請教一下 一樣的空片 在不一樣的機器燒出來
測的結果差很多嗎


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