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god, i normally don't do this, but heck, here is a piece of my mind.

STOP FLAMING COMPANY(IES) FOR REMARK RAM

when u buy ur video card, on the box does it say what ram it use? (A) or does it say what clock rate it is? (B)

Case A) on the BOX IT DOES NOT SAY it is "200 MHZ" nor does it say it "garanty" of 200MHZ overclock and it does not say "WE USE SAMSUG RAM". u can't blame a compnay for suck indication

in Case B) u can't blame a company who use ram that does not run @ mark rating, example a -5 ns ram on data sheet may say it runs @ 200 mhz, however, when the box does not indecating what clock rate to use, is up to the company to decide what clock rate to use, even force down to 166Mhz, @ 166MHZ they could easily reduce voltage as result of unable to overclock to 200 MHZ, which is very normal, exmaple: i have ASUS GF3 which is same memory as Evga GF3 TI card, however on asus the voltage is higher as result of higher clock rate potetials, on evga on ther other hand is clock lower, due to lower voltage and it lower than the data sheet indicated.

if u are a real overclocker u will modify (aka increase resistance) in order to overclock, also u will pick ram very wisly, most of u guy does not even know that, u pick any card for the price and expect for BBA's clock rate, that is gay and stupid. when i pick card i pick the one that has lowest -ns on ram which most of time is way more expansive than those main stream price.

does anyone even know what REMARK mean??

when a company sign a contract with manufactor, as long as they have agreement on it. is normal, i can sign a contract with Micron, and all my ram will be mark as micron's ram using their serial number, is perfecly normal, exmaple: Corsair Extreme ram, it is label as corsair's ram, however after some remover, it shows is Winbond BH5, this is remark but perfecly legel

same idea, i bought some no name ram, and it has other compnay's print on it, after HEX code it shows is BH5 also, however i was unable to clock as high as corsair ram, why? the resister on the ram is too low, even those BH5 is known high clock rating. what will u guys do? blame the company who made the ram is remake? no! as long as the box or advertise does not say or indicate the rating higher than its opertational is alright

BBA" Build by ati. most of time has higher clock rate

PBA: power by ati, lower rating same chip

i also have PowerColor R8500, it is clock @ 250/200, however BBA is 275/275, even is same ram... i can't overclock to as high as BBA, but after some voltage mod i can go even higher!!!

c'mon, be more knowledgable plz. Taiwanese is a strong and prode Asian, we are not igerant Chinese. open ur eyes, thx

is 3:43 EST, well can't spell so live with it.

-Allen Pan

嗯...
 

看你Allen大寫了這麼多, 我忍不住也要出來說兩句.

舉個例子. 去吃麵的時候, 來的那碗麵的碗上面, 或更甚, 菜單上. 有寫麵是什麼做的嗎.

那如果哪天你吃麵吃到怪味道, 然後跟老闆再三確認. 老闆死不認帳, 直到你把麵拿去化驗得到科學證據為止. 老闆才跟你承認說他的麵是用石膏粉滲麵粉再加點太白粉做的(反正都是白粉嘛). 試問你爽嗎.

在台灣真的是有很多商業上的行為會讓人覺得真是到不可思議的地步. 就算在我的工作領域裡(跟硬體完全無關), 也是有些敗類公司欺蠻消費者到讓我已經對整個市場很灰心的極點. 此風如長. 那我告訴你事情演變到以後, 哪天連車子開了一半就爆炸, 那也不足為奇. 反正車子賣給你的時候也沒"盒子", 哪來的說用哪顆引擎, 買的時候"150%保證你"多少馬力?

此次Remark記憶體如成事實. 那此廠商最令人髮指的將不會是remark記憶體爾爾. 最令人痛恨之處是已經被抓包卻不肯面對現實, 好好的道個欠, 承認錯誤, 做好善後處理.

知錯能改, 善莫大焉.

大難臨頭但卻還不知懸崖勒馬者, 死不足惜.

這個可以嗎?
之前


之後...

however, this does not justfy that Tripex use fake or faulty ram, and with legal route tripex is legintiment.

according to what u say about the car trie, i am a person everything u say is on paper when is not on paper is just words, as we know words are cheap. when is on paper legal route can be taken, same as the instant noodle example, if is made out of what was not indicated on paper, u are legally to sue the company or providor for such mischeif.

use car industry as example, (not very in to car) a v8 engining should run @ lets say 500 horse power. however, when he selll u he tell u is 500 horse power car, but in real life it is unable to run @ 500 HP, as long as he did not promise "it will perform @ 500HP in real life is fine"

this can also put in to intel cpus, @ P4 willlimatte 1.4 S423 is slower than P3 Tulation 1.4G, is intel cheating on us? no, there is no indication of what real life performus is.

慕凡 : please read my entire thread, my point is clear as crystal, what tripex did is not wrong nor can be justify, this is what most lowend manufactor do. i even give many examples that Card A use same parts does nto Card B, evem both are made out of same compoments, is up to manufator to decide, for lowerclock rate they can use cheaper voltage regulator and capasitor, which save quite alot of greens

啦啦隊又來了嗎????? :shock:

btw, website is subject to change by law, so what was on the website is not useful evident in court, only on fine print, if u read carefully "website content are subject to company and change without notice" <---- is all business site is there, even is not website can not be use in court

Allenpan兄,您似乎引據失義啊

CORSAIR的RAM誰都知道它是去買顆粒回來自己做的啊,他只是都有挑過吧(除了他的VALUESELECT系列是請別的顆粒廠直接把MARK打上去),否則BH-5也是很多體質欠佳的(不能超),跟你所謂的REGISTER沒有差別

但是今天除非啟亨的那批RAM是SAMSUNG自己印的(但是這個可能性很小吧),否則怎麼說啟亨都不對

從最後看上來, 看了好幾個 allen, 還以為小弟說錯什麼 :p

用英文寫那麼多, 辛苦了, 歡迎幫推啊 :yeah:

alot of website has disclaimer

let me give u anotehr example:
for example lets say honda SX-100 should be use 500hp (on website), but the one in car dealer is 400hp, is it ok? and the price differ on it to justify

apply that to motherboard:
alot can be same model or serial number but the revision is different, like asus TUV4X revison 1.2 can use full 2GB ram, but 1.1 can only use 1.5GB, however the website can say it can use 2GB.

try to apply mobo to car or to video card

many company can dismiss as different revision or website not updated, as long as they hide behind the sheild of disclaimer. (think as Tripex 9550 card as "NEW" revision")