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引用:

Originally posted by idiot
k染是接H染的在8X-12X 的時代

Sanyo qualify K染到 24X 就是了

g染 Sanyo 只 qualify 到 16X

最後一句非常對

任何一種Dye都有經由時間ㄉ精進
像g染一開始只能16x max,後期的g染就可上24x,但是會較耗雷射功率
ex:後期的RITEK版面24x白金即為g4染
但g染算是元老級Dye,追朔到8x時就有g4染
ex:RITEK 8X白金版面
k染就是已經到ㄌ瓶頸so才推出新的s染for 32x

h染之前的環馬都屬於舊式環碼

但老話一句,都要視自身的cdrw軔體定義而異
舉一個明顯的例子
Lite-on 32x 更新到最新軔體
js染:32x(這個Dye有被定義到,事實上Lite-on內附的CD-R就是js染)
s染:max 24x(此Dye本為32x染料)
g染:12x or 16x(版面是RITEK 24X)

至於超長片的GH染都被限在16X MAX,這是確保超燒成功的原因
仿金Dye TG Dye 可24x or over,但不建議購買

引用:

Originally posted by Alexronald

任何一種Dye都有經由時間ㄉ精進
像g染一開始只能16x max,後期的g染就可上24x,但是會較耗雷射功率
ex:後期的RITEK版面24x白金即為g4染
但g染算是元老級Dye,追朔到8x時就有g4染
ex:RITEK 8X白金版面
k染就是已經到ㄌ瓶頸so才推出新的s染for 32x

h染之前的環馬都屬於舊式環碼

請問一下, r染應該是ricoh的染料,
不知使用r染的片子和錸德自身的染料相比何者較好呢?
從保存性及燒錄容易度來看...
謝謝!

>>任何一種Dye都有經由時間ㄉ精進 <<

是嗎?????????????????

引用:

Originally posted by CheapTrick

請問一下, r染應該是ricoh的染料,
不知使用r染的片子和錸德自身的染料相比何者較好呢?
從保存性及燒錄容易度來看...
謝謝!

抗光性一向是R染強.....

引用:

Originally posted by idiot
>>任何一種Dye都有經由時間ㄉ精進 <<

是嗎?????????????????

不是ㄇ?
搞清楚再來回答吧!

偶文章內已經寫ㄉ很清楚何種版面何種染料
去求證過再來回po阿

在網路上說話也要負責

如果要回ㄉ是引起爭吵ㄉ文章那就免ㄌ吧你

舉個最簡單ㄉDye經由時間ㄉ精進例子:
Ricoh r染....低倍速ㄉ時代就免提ㄌ
24x.r染
最新ㄉ32x.r染

引用:

Originally posted by 無心人
何來GH染?????

to 所謂ㄉ"燒錄界ㄉ"丸"

去買片90minㄉ片子回來用力ㄉk環碼就知道ㄌ

懂ㄇ?

說真的
不知道是哪個"大大"提出ㄉ那個稱號
至今偶在夢裡不小心夢到還是會笑到肚子痛

別怪我語氣不好

純粹就事論事

引用:

Originally posted by Alexronald

不是ㄇ?
搞清楚再來回答吧!

偶文章內已經寫ㄉ很清楚何種版面何種染料
去求證過再來回po阿

在網路上說話也要負責

如果要回ㄉ是引起爭吵ㄉ文章那就免ㄌ吧你

舉個最簡單ㄉDye經由時間ㄉ精進例子:
Ricoh r染....低倍速ㄉ時代就免提ㄌ
24x.r染
最新ㄉ32x.r染

If you improve(change) your dye formulation all the time, then what formulation do you want the firmware writers to target?

One should only use one die formulation per ATIP code combination. In many cases the speed rating printed on the disk changes, without a dye formulation change. Although Ricoh did change their Phthalocyanine formulation 4 times over the lifetime, you didn't saw a change in Ritek's code because Ritek marks all the dye formulas supplied by Ricoh as r染. Such is not the case for their own dye like G染.

read

http://www.mitsuicdrstore.com/quality_nh.html

"Since we have not changed our dye formulation in over 5 years, drive manufacturers are able to easily configure their units for our dye. That's why Mitsui CD-R is compatible with every writer & reader on the market--a CD-R that we manufactured 5 years ago will perform the same as the ones made today. "

引用:

Originally posted by idiot

If you improve(change) your dye formulation all the time, then what formulation do you want the firmware writers to target?

One should only use one die formulation per ATIP code combination. In many cases the speed rating printed on the disk changes, without a dye formulation change. Although Ricoh did change their Phthalocyanine formulation 4 times over the lifetime, you didn't saw a change in Ritek's code because Ritek marks all the dye formulas supplied by Ricoh as r染. Such is not the case for their own dye like G染.

read

http://www.mitsuicdrstore.com/quality_nh.html

"Since we have not changed our dye formulation in over 5 years, drive manufacturers are able to easily configure their units for our dye. That's why Mitsui CD-R is compatible with every writer & reader on the market--a CD-R that we manufactured 5 years ago will perform the same as the ones made today. "

自打嘴巴
再舉一個實例:
以650mb 3菱湛藍片為例:
我手上的舊版ㄉ三菱湛藍片跟新版可24x以上ㄉ湛藍片版面一樣
染料也屬同一種都是AZO
舊版的只能12~16x
新版的就可24x

g dyeㄉ部份
偶手上ㄉ空片就可以證明一切
要證明ㄉ話到店家買來比對還有真實ㄉ去燒錄就可知道
不用跟我再爭辯

target what dye?
-upgrade ur cdrw firmware
以普傑ㄉ軔體為例
除ㄌ新軔體會debug cdrw的燒錄過程之外.也會對更多空片dye來做速度定義.更會把原本有定義的dye最佳化,使讀片率更高,不再有甜甜圈

所以空片染料跟軔體是一直持續再精進的(improve)

你所說的r染部份,就是以之前ㄉ24x dye再做精進之後推出32x dye
那我就不清楚你再說啥ㄌ,你覺得有可能為ㄌ32x而ricoh又另請研發部門研發全新的dyeㄇ?
ㄏㄏ

換染料是真ㄉ,但不是換全新ㄉ染料來應付新倍數
是improve

染來染去有何意義??