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mmx168 2004-09-28 05:23 PM

忘了是加州的101還是德州的I-35州際公路,早上六點多, 已經塞滿了上班的車潮, 我想即使在美國也不一定就能過朝九晚五的生活.

lucses 2004-09-28 07:01 PM

我小小綜合以上網友的意見

去絕對不是錯誤的選擇

但是希望能取得比現在那間公司願意給的8萬多一些
能的話 過11萬會比較好

就是這樣囉

lin9999 2004-09-28 07:53 PM

去呀..考慮甚麼...我有3個孩子....

我對台灣已經教育已經沒有信心..

我很氣自己能力不夠....有機會不要放棄..

mutex2k 2004-09-29 12:57 AM

綜合以上網友的意見

美國的問題

1) High Cost on everything (except food from Ranch99)
2) MediCare problem
3) Costly house
4) Tax (but have marriage break and Children credit)
5) Layoff

2, 3 皆不考慮因為目前既不想買房子又工作有保險
4) 繳看得到的稅我非常願意,台灣也要稅,但是光比每天會用到的馬路...我就完全不知道稅繳到哪裡去了
1) 已作心理準備,一開始買的東西並不多,因為Relocation,搬家全都搬,只要買車,目前又看上Civiv Hybrid又省油,又節稅
5) As fas as I can see, layoffs occurred with works that can be outsourced. Right now, I do not see important developments such as CPU designs outsourced to anywhere. I think america government will not allow these companies to outsource these desgins in very short future. It is just like they put restrictions on some high performance computer parts to be export to some countries. Right now, it is the lower end ic designs (consumer-level) and software applications that are being outsourced.

其他網友列舉的缺點....可能還是要加班等等,在台灣已經是很不好了....我賭看看會不會更好....只要11pm前回到家就是比較好.....

我知道萬事皆有利也有弊,但是當我把兩樣(USA / Taiwan)放在天平上,台灣是較輕的......

mutex2k 2004-09-29 01:08 AM

引用:
作者Johnny Chiang
Hi. Good evening!

I hope you guys can understand English because I am not good in typing Chinese characters.....

Your situation is similiar to mine. I have been in the US for 8 years, and I am currently working for a software company in San Jose. To be honest with you, I think America is really not a paradise, especially for us!

Living expense is big issue in here. House, Car, Insurance, Food,..........
Make you crazy all the time. From my opinion, I think you couple have to have at least 100 K annual salary in order meet your requirement.

Why?

1.Too expensive.

100K after tax is about 65K, which means 5500USD monthly. You will need to spend 1600 ~ 2000 for house rental or mortgage loan. (Food/shopping/entertainment) 1000+...


I am wondering how you get 450 gas/utility bill........... Maybe you should call PGE to check if the gas is leaking or not.

jsmithjp 2004-09-29 02:07 AM

引用:
作者mutex2k
I am wondering how you get 450 gas/utility bill........... Maybe you should call PGE to check if the gas is leaking or not.


樓大,做這樣一個決定是真的不容易的,好在有一些客觀的因素推您一把
好好加油吧

至於東西要不要全搬來,小弟是覺得未必,看公司給您的relocation fee可不可以cover
因為氣候與生活型態的不同,並不是所有台灣的東西都合這邊用的,一些木質的家具在台灣習慣了溼熱的環境 到超級乾燥的這邊就可能會變形,在台灣穿禦寒衣物不見得適合這裡乾冷的冬天....
這邊很多東西都是制式的size與台灣不太一樣,所以若您有要放棄的東西,記得要一套一套的放棄,例如,若不要帶床架來,那就連床墊床罩一起放棄,不然到這邊找不到合適的size匹配,會很吐血
當然若您想先搬來以後再丟,那也是可以,這裡不用專用垃圾袋的

至於稅是不是繳到該用的地方,小弟只能說,硬體上應該是,軟體上可能就要打點折扣,您若來了與dmv接觸過就知道了
只是無論您在哪裡,繳稅要用到哪裡又哪是您能決定的呢....
這還是要由社會的價值觀來決定的 同樣的,這也沒有好壞的判斷問題

既然已經決定了,就勸您別再算收入支出的問題,您可能改變您的8萬年薪嗎,您可能改變這邊的各項收費嗎.應該都不能,好好交接您目前的工作,抽空多陪陪不能跟您一起來美的親人才是您到這裡以後很難再去解決的事.
看您所提出的疑問,真的有很多事是您要來體會以後才會知道的,在這裡,從年薪20000到200000usd的人,都可以過日子,可能也都沒什麼存款,你將來就會發現箇中的奧秘了...眼見為憑不是嗎

加油吧, 也祝您尚未出世的孩子有個好將來

ethanethan 2004-09-29 02:31 AM

看了各位大大的剖析
我是覺得不管是長期居留還是短期留滯
最好還是要能保持融入當地社會的基本準備

我老姐嫁去日本
怎看就是沒有融入當地社會
日本是一個虛偽的民族(也是因為這樣的虛偽才維持著平和的社會)
我老姐是心直口快的傻大姊一個
怎能像一般的日本女人那樣輕聲細語?
日本人很喜歡搞一些母姐會
就是幾個日本三八媽媽到學校去寒喧問暖
我老姐從不參加
他總是覺得不來這一套

但生活中很多問題就會在此浮現
不融入他們的社會
不揣摩她們的禮儀
你開始會對於在日本的生活感到處處不自在
其實問題都是出在自己的心態
如果能看清且適應該居住地的特性
生活會比較簡單些

至於經濟問題
我覺得還是多參考版上旅居美國的大大
畢竟他們是走過這條路的
如果經濟問題浮現
我看小孩的教育也好不到哪
畢竟你的腦袋已經開始專注支撐這個家
而無心再去思考小孩的未來
其實很多小孩不管是有錢人家的還是窮人家的
學好學壞大多在於父母的付出和小孩的本質
但很多學壞的幾乎都是父母忙碌而疏於管教
有錢的還要再更有錢
忙於事業
沒錢的要賺更多的錢
也是忙於事業
倒是若有經濟基礎
要去關心小孩可能還比較輕鬆
畢竟爭飯吃是現實的

而聽一些說"去吧!實現你的夢想"的話
我也會說
因為不管你是好是壞
今後他們說的這些話也無須負責
其實我本來對美國也是一種猶似天堂的概念
然而我遇上了一位ABT述說美國的種種
加上今天瀏覽此主題大家說的種種
唉...
我想太多嚕....

美國沒戰爭?
911怎會被人開刀?
裡面也有台灣人哩
他一定很後悔當初的美國夢 :(

Johnny Chiang 2004-09-29 02:48 AM

引用:
作者mutex2k
I am wondering how you get 450 gas/utility bill........... Maybe you should call PGE to check if the gas is leaking or not.


Sorry, I typed a word wrong ...

original:

gas 200+utility250


should be:

gasoline 200 for two cars (for you and your wife) + utility 250
utilities include:

phone bill 50
ADSL 30
water + waste (trash) 50
electricity 50
gas 40

plus

TAX

= 250

kid814 2004-09-29 03:00 AM

引用:
作者mmx168
忘了是加州的101還是德州的I-35州際公路,早上六點多, 已經塞滿了上班的車潮, 我想即使在美國也不一定就能過朝九晚五的生活.

加州的55號跟405阿>_< :stupefy:
現在住家裡commute
超累的阿
以前住宿舍上課前15分鐘起床就可以準時or早到 :laugh:
現在每天6點多起床 :cry: (今天940才有課,還是要早起 :cry: )
7點前要出門
不然沒有停車位 :stupefy:
7點40分到校就沒有位子啦 :(

Johnny Chiang 2004-09-29 03:51 AM

引用:
作者mutex2k

5) Layoff

As fas as I can see, layoffs occurred with works that can be outsourced. Right now, I do not see important developments such as CPU designs outsourced to anywhere. I think america government will not allow these companies to outsource these desgins in very short future. It is just like they put re...


I guess you never work in the US industry before.....

1. Nothing is impossible here. I also don't understand what you mean for the short future. 1 year, 3 year, or 5 year?.........
If you want to work here only for a short future. You don't have to move your family here.

2. There is no important development here. There is only profitable development in USA. Cutting cost is a key for R & D profit control. (一年花的要比一年少) Believe or not!!! Why they are doing outsourcing? Because the cost in here is too high! They pay you 80K per year. In china, they only need to pay 8K per year. If you are the CEO, what you gonna to do?

3. So far now there is no law which restricts those company who outsurcing their project to other countries. I am not saying all the jobs will go outsourcing. As long as those companys' headquarters stay in here. Certain amount of jobs will stay in here too. Because those CEO, CFO, CTO....... they need a job and they don't want to move. 但真正好康很難輪到你

4.我不太懂 IC design. 但我覺得 IC design 的重心好像在臺灣 and 大陸.....

5. Finally, from my oponion, I think the engineering is a dead end. The pay is good, but the future is unknown. If I could have a chance to introduce my friends from (CISCO, Intel, AMD,........) to you guys. You will find out that it's difficult to change a job after you are 40. Why? Because company knows they need to pay you higher than those who are younger than you ( you and your familys' insurance, your benefit, your salary.........). Engineering is 年青人的天下, but the lifecycle is short. You will have to move to the management level eventually to extend your career's lifecycle. I've used 5 years to understand and prove this. Hope this will be helpful to everybody.


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