您非破我梗不行嗎
:cool: :cool:



降落是一定可以降落的,俄羅斯行,沒道理中國不行,技術有問題,就找俄羅斯原廠來幫忙就行了


差別只在於 , 中國還在摸索整套流程,而這摸索能摸到那,看俄羅斯給多少

基本上這個瓦良格,充其量只是一艘訓練艦,20年後才有機會看到一個戰鬥群建軍吧

文章是說還做不出新戰機的先進發動機

對於三代跟三代半的戰機發動機還是勝任的

所以是為了殲20 在研發的吧 :nonono:

據我所知，老共三代機的發動機應該是做得出來，但在性能、壽命、可靠等方面還沒有俄國的好，當然更不及歐美貨；但老共現在還是持續生產發動機，並裝在部分自製戰機上使用，以便在生產和應用的過程中發現問題，從而持續改進，藉此也可預防發動機一被俄國斷貨就導致機隊全面停飛。

目前老共大多數新一代的主力戰機(Su-27/30、J-10A、J-11A)的發動機全部都是AL31系列，在後勤上有很大的便利，因此除非其自製發動機已相當成熟，部隊應該不會全面換裝自製發動機。

預定供 J-20 及 J-10B 使用的 WS-15 渦輪扇發動機原型已於 2010 年首次測試
WS-15 原型用後燃器推力為 162 kN，推力重量比為 9
目標是用後燃器推力達到 180 kN，推力重量比達到 10

資料來源︰維基英文版

文章內不就明確說出了嗎?
作得出
成本高
妥善率低
也就是良率與MTBF表現不佳
也可能是比較短的時間就要進廠大修

你引的是英文版還是中文版？大哥？
我看到的怎麼是7.5?
還存在一堆MTBF過低問題
壓縮機遲滯性失速問題從1987年就沒解決直到現在，導致現行在前線的所有戰機都是用AL-31系列?

n 2005 it was reported that, according to Russian sources familiar with China's WS-10A turbofan development project, WS-10A was being developed to be slightly more powerful than the Saturn/Lyulka AL-31. The sources noted that China was encountering problems with meeting weight reduction goals for the WS-10A's primary and secondary compressors and had problems meeting thrust requirements. It was also stated that Chinese thrust vectoring technology was under development for the WS-10A.[5] The Chinese media also reported in 2005 that the WS-10A had completed 4 months endurance testing and the engine was later certified for production in 2006.

According to an interview publicised in January 2007 with J-10 pilot Li Cunbao (李存宝), the J-10 had not yet been equipped with the domestic WS-10 engine, because although the WS-10 could match the performance of its Russian counterpart (the AL-31), there was a serious drawback; the WS-10 took longer to "spool up", i.e. there was a delay in reaching the same thrust output as the Russian engine.

WS-10A is reported to have 13,200 kilograms (29,000 lb) of thrust and a 7.5:1 thrust-to-weight ratio, making it comparable to the AL-31F turbofan. The WS-10A was first displayed in public at the 2008 Zhuhai Air Show.[6] The WS-10A design consists of a 7-stage high pressure compressor, short annular combustor with air blast atomizer and air film cooling blade. It is the first production turbofan from China to feature single crystal nickel-based turbine blades, which allow higher intake temperatures and greater engine thrust. WS-10A has also been equipped with a FADEC (full authority digital engine control) system. An asymmetric thrust vector control (TVC) nozzle, similar to the TVC nozzle of the Russian AL-31F-TVN engine, has also been reported undergoing testing.

On 2 April 2009, the director of AVIC (Aviation Industry Corporation of China) Lin Zuoming (林左鸣), stated that there were problems with the quality control procedures on the WS-10A production line, meaning the Taihang turbofan was still of unsatisfactory quality. He said that solving these problems would be a key step.[7] In addition to poor build quality, the engines suffered from poor reliability, the Chinese engines have been lasting 30 hours at a time vs 400 for the Russian originals.[8] Despite AVIC's issues with quality control, mass production of the WS-10 series engines would contribute significantly in improving Chinese industrial capabilities.[9]

The overall situation had steadily improved by the end of 2009, after which the WS-10A had reportedly proved mature enough to power the J-11B Block 02 aircraft.[10]

Derivatives of the WS-10 are under development, such as a high-bypass turbofan variant for propelling large transport aircraft and marine gas turbine variant for propelling ships.

A thrust-vectoring variant with higher thrust (132 kilonewtons (30,000 lbf)), called the WS-10B, is in testing and is ready for combat aircraft installation, while an even further upgrade with higher thrust (155 kilonewtons (35,000 lbf)), designated the WS-10G, is also under testing. According to Saturn`s Victor Mihailovic Chepkin, chief designer of the 117 and 117S engines, the Chinese designers of WS-10 used the AL-31`s maintenance technical documentation delivered to China by Saturn when they designed the WS-10, which according to him is almost like the same documentation to build the Al-31, however he says the WS-10 is not a complete copy of Al-31, but he claims around 70% of Al-31 technologies ended up in the WS-10 [11]

寫太快
剛的資訊是WS-10A的
以下為janes defense weekly中北極熊與約翰牛對WS-15的評價
(原來是自HIGH居多阿)
According to Russian media and the United Kingdom, "Jane's Defense Weekly " unconfirmed information, Russia has for the Chinese J–14 provides its own prototype of the 117S engine the latest (5th generation Russian fighter T-50 also uses this type of engine) But the news ... However, on the other hand, the Chinese-made WS-15 engine with the same look less credible, because this engine is not perfect, can not be used to verify the assembly of new machines.

WS-15
維基英文版未提到 WS-10 還存在一堆MTBF過低問題，壓縮機遲滯性失速問題從1987年就沒解決直到現在，導致現行在前線的所有戰機都是用AL-31系列

請參考JDW 2011/11第二週版
PS:我底下有註記那是WS-10的問題，你是故意沒看到?
另，連百度上的網友回答都是AL-31系列
http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/393545281.html
就別拿WS-15這種怪東西尋人開心了
愚人節還沒到,OK?

有提到呀
"stated that there were problems with the quality control procedures on the WS-10A production line, meaning the Taihang turbofan was still of unsatisfactory quality"
不是不能用 只是壽命比較短
這就跟之前俄系坦克一樣
所以後勤維修能量需求與依賴比較大
大家討論不管哪一方不用那麼...
所以才懶得上BBS 管理那麼多版了
另外也提到Al-31與WS-10有7成的相通
再對照多次的改款
可見明確剩下的是產線設備與材料學的問題